
…And Other Stories
Why women of colour suffer, and why everything is better when a white woman is doing it.
In the penultimate part of this series, we’ll be looking at things a little differently. In the original article, I avoided talking about subjective things, like whether the women were well- or badly-written, the chemistry between the actors, acting prowess etc. because those things are subjective. However, since we’re talking about race, I figured why not, right? And what we’re going to find is, more often than not, fandom tends to like something way better if a white woman is doing it
Today, we’re looking at accusations that Iris is just a love interest, is badly-written, has no chemistry with Grant Gustin etc. We’ll be starting with chemistry – though I still think it’s subjective, I’ve found that melanin tends to wreak havoc on people’s subjectivity – and going from there. The only topic we won’t be covering is acting, because people on opposite sides of fandom always tend to think that the other woman can’t act. By an industry standard Patton is talented as she’s won an award for her acting on the show, as has Gustin. But that doesn’t mean nobody else can act; it just means that in whichever year they won the industry decided to recognise their talent.
In any case, chemistry is much easier to talk about. Much has been made by fans about the fact that Barry and Iris don’t have chemistry – in fact, after fans have declared in capital letters and lots of exclamation points that they are NOT RACIST!, that’s the main argument touted for not shipping them. In fact, if you go to the first petition that Snowbarry fans started to convince the writers to make it endgame, chemistry is the number-one reason everyone uses to justify it, and the same can be said for the second. They claim Caitlin and Barry have more chemistry – chemistry so explosive, in fact, that they started shipping them together after a two-second interaction during the release of the first trailer when she demanded his pee. Since we’ve already discussed why that’s bullshit, we’re going to look what people mean when they say chemistry.
- In case anybody thought I was joking, this is the first petition to make Snowbarry endgame. The most recent signature was from January 2018
- I suppose I can’t knock their passion.
- The petition continued into season 2, and the main reason for many was chemistry. Also, Iris should remain the best friend. For some reason.
- Here we have the reappearance of “they’re such a cute couple they conveniently don’t have to have lines to show it”
- Also into season 3
- Also taking this moment to point out how many of these people are non-Black PoC, who are perfectly capable of anti-Black racism.
- I do wonder when all this “connecting” went on, though.
- More claims that Iris doesn’t deserve Barry, all the way into season 4.
- I wonder why they look cuter together?
This is a pretty hard topic to dissect because Barry is played by Grant Gustin, who has chemistry with everyone – including himself – but for some people that isn’t always just the case. It’s also difficult to ignore the articles praising his and Patton’s chemistry, the fact that both Gustin and Patton have talked about how their chemistry got her the role, and how the producers themselves are always talking about it. Nevertheless, people tend to define chemistry in different ways.
For example, lots of people tend to think Barry has chemistry with people who do “cool” things with him – like Cisco telling jokes, Harry being an ass to him, and Oliver having their yearly Deep and Meaningful Hero Talk. Now I don’t think that these people don’t have chemistry with Barry – I think most of them do – but I definitely think that the male audience especially is skewed in what they think chemistry is; they’re more generous when they like the character and especially if they’re a man. Iris didn’t get to make a lot of jokes with him, she wasn’t “cool” and their relationship was complicated because since she didn’t know about his love for her, she was “hurting his feelings” with her obliviousness. Their chemistry didn’t have as much screen time because she was also cut out of a lot of the main story. Now, none of this applies to me personally because I’ve always thought their chemistry was wonderful, but I suppose I can see where people disagree. Which brings me to my next point.
People tend to see see chemistry where they want to because they relate to the characters, and so they make the effort to see where the actors are putting work in for it. If you don’t like them, you might actually begin to hate their scenes together so much you’re probably going to ignore it and say that, because you don’t like it, it doesn’t exist.

Snowbarry fans tend to say that Barry only has chemistry with these women. I cannot imagine why.
Which brings me to my next point. Kindly look at the picture on your right. Now, if this looks like the shortlist of girls auditioning to go on tour as part of Taylor Swift’s #squad, it’s because these are the women who Snowbarry shippers say are the only women who possess anything resembling chemistry with Barry. Iris, as you’ll hear them say, does not. What do you notice about them? You guessed it, Snowbarry shippers tend to think that Barry only has chemistry with white women. And white men. And white women who are minors, judging by all the people who started shipping Barry with Jesse as soon as she showed up. I’d call it subjective, but when shippers are literally pointing at every white woman and saying that Iris is the only person with whom Barry has no chemistry, yes, I’m suspicious.
Because “no chemistry” is one of fandom’s favourite excuses for whenever they see a relationship that they don’t like but are forced to watch onscreen – it sounds like they’re being subjective, which is why it’s so common, but it’s also bullshit. Because what they really want is a white woman in that position so they can easily relate to her. It doesn’t matter whether Gustin and Patton have chemistry or not – they don’t want to see it, so they’ve convinced themselves that whatever they see on the screen isn’t chemistry. What they mean is that it makes them feel awkward and uncomfortable and that they don’t want to see it happening.
- This is a…rather interesting view of racism.
- Good to know.
- Gotta love those combinations!
- Sometimes you just have to tell people making the show to kill Iris.
It’s why they cling to the incest argument so much. Nobody in their right mind genuinely believes that Barry and Iris saw each other as brother and sister – not just because they’ve both denied it, or the scientific reasoning behind it, but because…well, they aren’t. They have different parents. They’ve lived apart longer than they’ve lived together, and I doubt Joe decided once Barry moved in he started demanding that Iris see Barry as her brother. Poor Nora Allen had an entire season based around her death and Henry was a bastion of support for Barry when he was alive, yet their son is usually unceremoniously ripped away from them so fans can call Barry and Iris brother and sister. They don’t actually think they’re related, or have a problem with incest – way too many of them ship Jon and Sansa or Jon and Daenerys for me to even pretend to consider the opposite. (Unless, you know, they failed biology. Given the fact that half of them can’t seem to understand metaphors, I’m not ruling that out).
- It’s pretty obvious that some fans just want to see Barry with a white girl.
- Any white girl.
- No, honestly, any white girl.
- They’re all better than Iris.
- Or a white guy, they’re not picky.
- We’ll also be discussing why everyone loved Patty so much.
- She literally doesn’t even have to know Barry.
They say that they feel like incest because, like the Mammy stereotyping, they’re used to Black women being supportive to white people, so the reason Iris feels more like Barry’s sister is because they feel comfortable with a familial bond instead of a romantic one. That’s why you’ll hear nonsense about enjoying their “brother-sister dynamic” even after the show gave Iris a brother so you could tell the difference. The point is to make their relationship something disgusting so they can be justified in their disgust for it, instead of outright admitting that seeing a Black woman getting love from a white man is what disgusts them. Can’t have that in civilised conversation, now can we? So, Snowbarry shippers tend to only think Barry has chemistry with white-

Linda is SOMETIMES allowed to have chemistry with Barry according to certain fans, but she’s not brought up nearly as much as Caitlin or Patty. For some reason.
Wait. Wait. I’m forgetting someone. That’s right, you see that picture on the left? Yeah, that’s Linda Park, Barry’s girlfriend from season 1. She’s one fans sometimes deign to grant chemistry with Barry, but you never see them wanting her to come back and date Barry instead of Iris. You never hear them talk about how good their relationship was. In fact, you only hear them talk about Linda at all when they want to blame Iris for sabotaging their relationship. Because just like Cisco is only good enough to support Caitlin and Barry but they barely think about him outside of “OTF,” Linda is only good as a tool with which to bash Iris. Or when they want to pretend to care about Iris and say she should be friends with Linda – because they want to keep her away from Barry and S.T.A.R. Labs. Using people of colour as tools and accessories isn’t surprising to me, but it is indicative of that hierarchy I was talking about.
And I’d be more inclined to believe that this wasn’t a problem with race if it didn’t happen so damn often, but it does. Almost like clockwork, as soon as a white guy in some position of prominence looks at a Black woman with something resembling desire, fandom collectively shits itself to declare to anyone and everyone that they don’t have chemistry, that they “feel” more like brother and sister, and that they’d be better off as friends. The list of white men and Black women who always seem to lack chemistry where fandom is concerned includes but is not limited to Barry and Iris, Ichabod and Abbie, Damon and Bonnie, Fitz and Olivia, Jake and Olivia, Danny and Lacey, Ten and Martha, Will and Gwen, Joey and Charlie, Ross and Charlie, and Simon and Alisha. Now, either the Screen Actors Guild need to put money towards a study in finding out exactly why all of their Black actresses seem to utterly lack chemistry with white men, or we might have to consider the fact that this “no chemistry” argument is, in fact, a steaming pile of shit.
- I wonder why everyone’s so obsessed with “combining”?
- I also don’t know when this happened.
- I have not yet seen this material.
- Here we have everyone forgetting Henry and Nora Allen. Again.
- Oop. Missed one.
It happened to Lacey and Abbie. It’s happening to Iris and Michonne. It might be happening to Michael. It’ll happen to Starfire, who’s going to be played by a Black woman and who’s love interest, Robin, is played by a white man – in fact, let’s play a game. Last year, Once Upon a Time decided to age up the character of Henry, and gave him a love interest played by Dania Ramirez, who is Dominican-American. Find me the white woman they’re shipping Henry with instead (worry not, there will be a white woman). Bonus points if they have more chemistry, and they “just look right together”, and they have “more in common”. If someone says “they feel like brother and sister”, you win.
Because what fans mean say when they say “they don’t have chemistry” is this interracial couple makes me uncomfortable because I can’t imagine a white man seeing a Black woman as an object of desire.
“Their writing, actions, personalities and positions in the narratives are hyper-criticised to the point where fans have to have a laundry list they can rattle off for their favourite characters at a moment’s notice to defend them from fandom’s bullshit.”
This has become me ever since I joined this fandom. I can type out at least 9 of her accomplishments since season 1 til now. Even today I had to do just that. How sad?
This part of the series about black women getting hypercritized for the same things white women do is aptly timed as Candice Patton was recently lambasted for ’embarrassing’ DC Comics by tweeting about Marvel’s Black Panther while Caity Lotz did the same and not a peep was heard. Gee, wonder why…
It’s so frustrating and irritating having to defend every move Candice and Iris makes because people are purposely twisting the narrative to make her the bad guy.
I so agree about the ‘just a love interest’ nonsense. Like it’s actually a bad thing. Every superhero has one. I’ve never tried to defend her against this because I quickly realized that they don’t actually have a problem with love interests, they just have a problem with it being Iris. These are the same people wanting Caitlin, Patty, Felicity, Kara and (insert white girl’s name here) to take her place.
My take on Patty Spivot’s era is slightly different coming mainly from YouTube during that time. There were fanboys (and Snowbarry shippers) who quickly started singing her praises to the point where they over-exaggerated her role in the Flash comics. Stating that Barry married her in New 52 (which never happened) to convince everyone that Spallen was endgame and Westallen had been abandoned by the writers. However there were those who called Patty things like too old, can’t act and a fat cow. I took issue to this not only as a woman but as someone who was a fan of Shantel since she was on One Tree Hill. Apparently she didn’t make these fanboy’s stiff enough therefore they decided to wait for Meena, Fiona or some other white woman to come in. Funnily enough, when season 3 came and they realized their was no great white love interest waiting in the wings is when they retrospectively started jumping on the Spallen bandwagon. I kid you not, some of the same guys I saw talking crap about Patty in season 2 became her most ardent supporters in season 3 that was about Iris’s importance to Barry. Qwhite interesting…
Btw snowbarry shippers love saying Westallen gave no chemistry yet don’t see the irony of taking their scenes and inserting Caitlin into them…
Because of racism. I was much nicer when I started writing this, but racism is the reason and I’m tired of listening to bullshit reasons why it isn’t.
The just a love interest thing…I could honestly write an entire series just about that. Either they have a problem with it not being Iris or they have a problem with it not being a male fantasy where she strokes their ego and keeps her self-esteem in an urn on the fireplace.
Patty was the most irritating waste of time to me, but I never saw that with Patty because all I saw was them desperately wanting her to stay forever. But I totally see where it’s possible that as soon as the Black girl got focus they started loving her again.
Wait until the next one 😉
I love your points, and I want to add more comments in the future, but I have to point out that Patty was kidnapped *3* times in 10 episodes. That’s more times than Iris has been kidnapped in the entire series. But, as you mentioned, Iris is a damsel for “reasons”. It’s despicable.
She was?! WHEN?!
The “Iris is a damsel” nonsense will never not annoy me.
“Killer Frost not caring about Iris’ death on multiple occasions could indicate latent feelings of jealousy because Iris got the man of her dreams and Ronnie’s dead, but everyone’s ignoring it.”
I’ve wondered if Caitlin subconsciously hated Iris for having the warm family relationship she didn’t, the ability to make friends easily that she doesn’t, or the very much alive boyfriend/husband that Iris has.
I also think that Caitlin having a white male love interest each season is a way for the writers to telegraph to the white female audience that you are still wanted, attractive, desired, and loved by the white male even though Barry Allen isn’t in love with Caitlin. However, certain members of that audience hate Iris too much or are so narcissistic that they get no comfort from Caitlin constantly having a love interest that isn’t Barry Allen. For them, it’s Barry’s love or nothing.
Another great article!
I don’t know if she subconsciously HATED Iris for that, but I was honestly surprised that the writers didn’t have her throw out that line to get to Iris – but that would mean that Killer Frost was about Caitlin, rather than an excuse to have someone walk around trying to murder people because Savitar, for some reason, needed her help.
Someone on a podcast that I listened to suggested that very same thing (shoutout to Jess from Ladies With Gumption), and even though I definitely see where that idea comes from, I think it requires way too much concern for Caitlin’s character and her feelings. Like I can definitely see instances where there’s this bizarre refusal to let Caitlin take responsibility for anything she’s ever done, but my interpretation of their writing choices tells me that it’s actually that they DON’T care much about her. Or, at least, not enough.
Like, I think they believed in the fairy-tale aspect of Caitlin and Ronnie’s story, and that was their way to telegraph to that audience that they’d get their love story too. It helps that their relationship was integral to their stories (hers more than his – and you can tell that the reason they’ve floundered so much with Caitlin/Killer Frost is that with Firestorm gone they didn’t have him to tell her story with) but I’d be lying if I said that I believed the writers would have left the white woman alone. But after Ronnie died I think they just didn’t know what to do with her that wasn’t “doctor”. She couldn’t become Killer Frost straight away because they’d have to commit to it, so they put her with Jay. Like, “OK, she can do exposition, but what about her personal life? Well, we need a reason to hang around around the lab but not be totally useless, so Caitlin!” And then with Killer Frost it was like “Well we need a reason for Julian to hang around but not be redundant because Barry is also a CSI, so Caitlin!” I think it’s less about appeasing the white female audience than it is about not knowing what to do with her so they shove her at the nearest man. And sidestepping all the shit she’s pulled, to me, is more about not caring enough about her character to explore why she did those things, because that would require a story about Caitlin that might result in the status quo changing.
One of my problems with her character is that Caitlin never feels like she’s going anywhere. At different points, Barry, Iris, Joe, Cisco and even Wally and Ralph felt like they were being written TOWARDS something. Barry being a CSI Director, Iris being a reporter and building her career, Joe being CCPD captain and getting a personal life, Cisco building things so he could possibly make a career out of that, Wally being an engineer and superhero, Ralph being…not so Ralph and a superhero, but Caitlin is just…there. I don’t think there’s ever been any indication that Caitlin WANTS anything beyond what she already has. She’s a nice person who loves her friends and is a doctor, but beyond that, who is she? What does she want out of life? Does she want to be a bigger doctor? Start her own company? Reconnect with her mother? What? If you take Caitlin out of the Lab, I literally cannot think of anything she could possibly be doing, apart from turning into Killer Frost and going to Burning Man. Iris could still be a journalist, she could be hanging with her husband, she could be calling Linda, she could be visiting her brother, she could be preparing for her brand new baby sister. Because all of those things have been established in canon as things that are part of her life. Caitlin feels like she’s just floating in the narrative. All of what she’s done could have been used to explore her character and give her some depth, but they literally just ignore it.
…that got long. Sorry.
I totally agree that these fangirls are so obnoxious that only Barry’s love is good enough for her. Cisco spent the whole of season 3 comforting her and both she and Julian almost got themselves killed trying to help her, but they’re all throwing tantrums because she was “alone”. Because Barry doesn’t love her.
I appreciate your thorough response.
I agree that Caitlin is a stagnant character, which is one of the reasons I suspect she may be this season’s casualty. This is not a desire or wish on my part. A character with nowhere to grow seems like a good candidate for the chopping block is all I’m saying. I would put Harry in that slot, too, except that we lost H.R. last season, and I don’t think they’d repeat that with Harry.
If the writers actually cared about Cait, I think they would have written her going to therapy for her Killer Frost personality. There has to be a reason why her meta powers turned into an evil alternate. I mean she was cold when we met Caitlin in season 1, and I suspect that started from growing up with an emotionally distant mother and the death of her father. I even think having KF come up during therapy would also make for some laughs.
And yet we don’t see Caitlin going into therapy, which is ironic since she suggested therapy for WestAllen. I mean, doesn’t she eventually want a healthy romantic relationship or friendships outside of S.T.A.R Labs? That would be extremely difficult to do with an insane alternate personality always threatening to come out. I do think that only Harry would be a good romantic possibility for her since he’s as acerbic as KF and knows and values Caitlin, so he wouldn’t hold KF against her.
Additionally, recall that Harry and Amunet gave Caitlin a pep talk about how valuable and accomplished she is as Caitlin Snow, not KF. I thought Amunet was an odd choice for that kind of talk. Here again, the writers telegraphing to the white female audience that you are important even if you’re not the lead female on the show.
I also think if the writers cared about growth and redemption for Caitlin and Killer Frost, they’d have made them apologize to Cecile and Iris for attempting to murder them and aiding their murders. But no such thing has happened. Instead, they create an insta-friendship with Iris to make Caitlin more emotionally important to Iris. Is this all a setup for a season ending tragedy? I suspect so. But I’m willing to be wrong.
Yeah I just…don’t see her going anywhere. I think her fans feel that too, which is why they’e begging for OTF – not only is it a place where Caitlin is the only girl, but it’s also the only place where Caitlin has a story. Barry, Iris, Wally and Joe can float between school, work and Team Flash with ease – they have narrative mobility because the writers have established them in different places. Cisco has a job that the writers sometimes show, and a girlfriend. Even Harry has a life on another earth. But Caitlin is always at STAR Labs, and the fans who started the hashtag have noticed that, and no matter what they say, it’s the primary reason they want Iris out.
Caitlin became Killer Frost because the writers wanted her to, and Killer Frost was evil because of reasons. I got nothing else. I agree they should take her to therapy, but my sinking feeling is that this is it, this is the KF story they’re sticking with, and since that’s the logical endpoint for her character, I don’t know what’s next.
Oh I absolutely think that they coddle Caitlin way too much, but I don’t think that’s the reason. I think it’s just because society doesn’t like leaving a white woman to feel bad about herself. I don’t think it’s anything to do with Iris at all.
I’ve always said that the not apologising to Iris and Cecile was shitty, but more about the fact that they’d have to devote a story to having Caitlin earn redemption and grow, and stories about Caitlin not involving men is not a thing this show has excelled at. I think it’s more likely that they’ll write her off before anything else. If they start focusing on her a lot, we should probably be worried.
[“Season 3 was arguably the lowest point of writing for both women, though it started out promisingly for both. Iris was fated to die at the hand of Savitar, but we rarely heard her feelings about it unless it was to console Barry or Joe and she didn’t get to do anything about it (granted, the show constructed Savitar in such a way that Iris couldn’t do anything about it because he was a speed god, but still). She was central in the narrative, but she was denied a voice in it. Caitlin’s turning into Killer Frost was promising – but she never even got to be in control of it, and there was no explanation as to why she turned on her friends and joined Savitar. By the end of the season we’d gotten more angst about Julian and Cisco wanting to save her than why she was doing what she was doing.”]
Iris did not lack a voice about her “future death” in Season Three. In fact, at one point, she had an emotional meltdown over the situation. Also, both she and Barry had a fight over the reason behind his marriage proposal. And SHE was the one who took out the Big Bad.